Atheists Really DON'T Care About Gay Marriage
Atheists Really DON'T Care About Gay Marriage
Just saying, MM, this pretty much represents the point of view of the Atheists I know...
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enolakaya
Who is MM?
August 07, 2012Actually, I agree with that guy. All gays want are the same rights everyone else has. Ever been to the hospital where a partner is dying and the family won’t let him or her in because they are just “partners” and the one dying doesn’t get to say goodbye to the one most loved? All the things they shared and bought together…all the joys they experienced…gone. Because some asshole doesn’t “approve”. And the stuff they put in together to make their relationship a relationship? Split, Divided among the “family”.
That isn’t right. Love is love. And their rights should be protected just like heterosexual marriages.
jillsthoughts
I agree. MM is Munkyman. He and I were having a discussion a few days ago about whether Atheists give a shit about gay marriage or not. I said that all the Atheists I know don’t, and they have a “live and let live” mentality. He said that he knew of Atheists who would be upset with gay marriage. I personally, cannot see how they would/could, given their beliefs.
Yesterday I came across this and thought it was worth sharing because it represented my own thoughts of where Atheists stand on the issue of gay marriage.
August 07, 2012mrmacq
unfortunately
August 07, 2012atheists have all the different thoughts and paranoia as non atheists
just another group of “unassociated” people
there will be some that truly detest the gay lifestyle
perhaps concerned that they themselves might be the recipient of unwanted corn-holing
we’re calling for a general meeting on saturday to get our agenda in order
to be held behind the abortion clinic
jillsthoughts
Bwaahaaahhaaa!
August 07, 2012Munkyman
that’s all I was saying but, Jill never believes me about anything even when it’s as obvious as that.
August 08, 2012kinney08
It shouldn’t be an issue at all. If it were not for religious followers and some ignorent people, i don’t feel it would be as big of an issue. The reason behind them not passing same sex marriages, in america, mainly is due to religion and tax breaks they would recieve. I’m sure that also they would be under severe criticism of the church, which i feel would lead to empty death threats, by other people. We shouldn’t be concerned with the fact that they want to get married we should be more concentrated on health care, education, job creation, and the number one thing THE PEOPLE. This issue is simple to fix just give them the rights they deserve just like everyone else “has”.
August 07, 2012jillsthoughts
I agree and would just add that there are some Christian churches that come out in support of gay marriage. I spent a sailing weekend with a couple of those church groups a few weeks ago. All pro-gay marriage within the church and within the law.
August 07, 2012livelonger
I just finished a free ebook recommended by Michael Nicholson:
Here’s were you can read or download it:
http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf
It explains the formation of prejudices by authoritarian followers. It takes some of the fun out of debate with extreme right-wingers by learning a lot about them. It tells how to change some in the last chapter (7). They won’t read the article because it is over 270 pages.
August 07, 2012funfreak
You know, Jill……it really pisses me off that this is one thing I can’t do for my child. I can’t buy it or make it or fix it. I just have to watch, helplessly, because the good Christians of this country feel they are more entitled than others to have this American dream. Just because they were born here and were indoctrinated into a sect of religious idealism, they think they are more right than the rest of the world. Fuck ’em.
August 07, 2012jillsthoughts
Amen, sista!! I imagine you raised your kid like I did, with an open mind.
August 07, 2012livelonger
Just wondering …
August 07, 2012Do gay atheists care about gay marriage?
jillsthoughts
Probably, in the legal sense of the definition.
August 07, 2012Docinbird
In the US, it takes a ream of legal documents to provide the same rights as a legally married couple, and an insurance company, hospital, etc. can challenge any one of them (thus temporarily negating those rights). So yes, I would guess that they would care.
August 07, 2012kinney08
No such thing as a “good christain”
August 07, 2012jillsthoughts
Not sure where this comment belongs. Are you quoting yourself? lol
August 07, 2012kinney08
lol, yeah i posted on the wrong blog lol
August 07, 2012gbakere
I am an atheist. I don’t care about this “invisible friend” some people have. I totally believe in “live and let live” as long as no one hurts anyone else, but to say I don’t care about gay marriage would be completely wrong. I have friends who are gay and lesbian. I believe they should have the same right to marry the one they love just as much as any heterosexual and I believe that is part of the freedom we should all have in this country which makes America worth fighting to the death for should that become necessary.
What many Christians fail to acknowledge is that there is no such thing as purely heterosexual. They also deny that homosexuality is NOT a choice. So…if it’s a choice, then that would mean that we all must be, to varying degrees, bisexual but we should choose “God’s way” and not cave into those homosexual desires. Well…that may have been fine for Mr. bisexual, “make the right choice,” Jerry Falwell, but that won’t take into consideration that there are those who are virtually purely heterosexual and those who are virtually purely homosexual and there is vast gray area in between. Why would anyone “choose” a lifestyle which might cause them to be persecuted, beaten up or even killed for unless they have no choice? For some, there is no choice. For most, the leanings are clear, and for others, it doesn’t matter much whether it’s a male or female sexual partner. We are human and as different as we can be from one individual to the next. We all deserve to have equal rights in America and that is something I am willing to fight to the death for. So…I am a virtually pure heteralsexual atheist who cares deeply about gay marriage.
August 07, 2012jillsthoughts
I meant that title in the same tone as this post, gbakere. In other words, I have never met an Atheist who would be AGAINST gay marriage. Why would you? In a live and let live world, there is room for people to be themselves.
August 08, 2012gbakere
Yes Jill, since one of my best friends is gay, I have a tendency to go off. Oh…oh yeah…I have a tendency to go off on a lot of things, don’t I. I suspect I would feel the same way even if I didn’t know any gays. I was just clarifying my position – and thank you for this post. I so hate hatred!
August 08, 2012jillsthoughts
August 08, 2012
Munkyman
Because they ALL think exactly alike. Why not just call me a liar outright & be done with it?
This is the blog of a NAZI Atheist, the best that I can tell.
http://the-ontaryan.blogspot.com/2007/12/atheist-against-homosexuality.html
Interesting comments on this discussion.
http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Am-An-Atheist/1224688
No one said they all think it’s wrong but, some do & there’s a couple links to show it.
Note that while I pointed this out, it’s not my opinion. I have been quite vocal that any competent adults should be able to enter into any civil contract, I go beyond gay marriage to polygamy, consenting adults should be able to group as they see fit.
August 08, 2012jillsthoughts
The blog link doesn’t work. As for the second link, Gilliard was brought up Baptist, so I am not surprised this has influenced her thoughts on gay marriage as an adult. As it is, she is allowing Australia to make a conscience vote on the issue.
Hmmm, you will go as far as polygamy. Interesting… in light of the Mormon candidate for president.
August 08, 2012mrmacq
ouch
August 08, 2012you got your cat claws out dont you?
Munkyman
yeah because all Mormons are polygamists. You’re a serious piece of partisanship. I simply assume that if a person is a competent adult then we should trust them to act in their own best interest & to know what they believe that to be. Now yet again, I’m not a Republican or a Mormon… I’m not even gay but, I can see where all of them have the same rights I expect to be respected in my person or I have less claim to them myself. I know respecting the choices of others is hard for a entrenched partisan such as yourself but, try it it’s just what you expect them to do for you.
The blog link works just fine maybe you don’t know how to use it? See that’s how you treat people, it’s not nice is it?
August 08, 2012jillsthoughts
The blog link didn’t work this morning, but it works now. Thank you. I will read it later. I’m off for a new do right now.
As I said, “interesting.” You read too much into what I say. I don’t hear many people speak up for polygamy these days, and so I found your comment interesting. How does that make me partisan?
August 08, 2012Munkyman
you said interesting with context you 1st remarked that one of the candidates is a Mormon… I wonder which one? & you have a history of calling me a Republican. Your comment was a contextual insinuation & if you don’t see it… I hope you were a math teacher.
August 08, 2012jillsthoughts
But if I was partisan about polygamy, wouldn’t that make me more of a republican? I mean, they have issues with anything other than marriage between a man and a woman.
I rarely understand what you are saying, you jump all over the place and your thoughts scatter like kittens. Since I am not the only one to suggest this to you… well, you can see what I am insinuating… I hope you were a cook.
August 08, 2012Munkyman
That more thn one person isn’t able to keep up doesn’t surprise or offend me. I am actually a chef, I was a cook 15 years ago.
August 09, 2012Munkyman
& I think the correct term would be hypocrite, “it’s ok for the people I like & understand to group but, others can’t possibly have the same right because they do things I don’t agree with. After all what woman would consent to being a 3rd wife?” That’s generally sounds like what you’re saying about marriage if you don’t support the equal rights of polygamists, they’re losing benefits, they have forcibly broken homes & only the 1st wife has the right to inherit. The wives can’t assume guardianship of another wife’s child if she dies without going through an lengthy adoption process that won’t end well since they’re polygamists.
August 09, 2012jillsthoughts
Oh, look, MM is high-jacking another thread. What a shocker.
August 09, 2012Munkyman
It’s not hijacking if you put it in an open group, so sorry you can’t take what you dish.
August 09, 2012jillsthoughts
So you don’t understand what hi-jacking a thread is? That explains a lot.
I would argue that I am quite patient with you, MM. I have more patience than others, I notice…
August 09, 2012Munkyman
Come to think of it you posted this as part of an argument with me over whether on not an Atheist might be opposed to gay marriage… so I can’t possibly hijack it. Duh, get over yourself.
August 12, 2012jillsthoughts
Are you still dwelling on this? lol I was referencing your ranting about me being “partisan” about polygamists. That didn’t make any sense, and yet you kept it up.
This thread is about gay marriage from the viewpoint of Atheists.
August 12, 2012Munkyman
BTW it’s vulgar & hateful I wouldn’t bother, it should be enough to know it exists.
August 08, 2012jillsthoughts
WHAT is hateful and vulgar??
August 08, 2012Munkyman
the post you are returning to read, this comment is attached to the one it references Isn’t it?
August 08, 2012jillsthoughts
Not that I can tell. Are you referencing the blog you linked?
August 09, 2012