Congress exempt from Obamacare

Breaking news from the stupid party:

""MR. PRESIDENT WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTH CARE PROGRAM
AND JOIN THE NEW 'UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM' THAT THE REST OF US WILL BE ON ????"
THERE WAS A STONEY SILENCE AS <>OBAMA IGNORED THE QUESTION AND CHOSE NOT TO ANSWER IT !!!
IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF SENATORS WERE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS."WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT."
AND THEY DID. IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY ON THE NEWS THAT THE "KENNEDY HEALTH CARE BILL" WAS WRITTEN INTO THE NEW HEALTH CARE REFORM INITIATIVE ENSURING THAT THAT CONGRESS WILL BE 100% EXEMPT !


Point 1: Obamacare isn't universal health care; it applies to the working poor, giving them access to health care assistance through wage deductions, like Social Security and Unemployment Insurance. Universal health care would apply to everyone, not those on welfare or private insurance plans. Employers and workers pick their health plans; they aren't placed in one national company.

(in other words, the stupid party doesn't know what universal health care means.)

Point 2: Long, detailed instructions to the stupid party would glaze their eyes while they pretend to listen; then, like Barney, they'd go back believing their GOP propaganda.

Point 3: Congress is, of course, exempt anyways. They have their own employer sponsored health care plan, as do civil servants, Medicare, and the military. They don't need to pick from another pool of insurers, as the new pools will be the same insurance companies. The 86% millioniares in Congress will never get Medicaid.

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  1. SEC

    and you support this? "the regulation applies only to – - -, but not to **** because the occupy a position of power?

    February 25, 2013
    1. livelonger

      Point 1: Obamacare isn’t universal health care; it applies to the working poor, giving them access to health care assistance through wage deductions, like Social Security and Unemployment Insurance. Universal health care would apply to everyone, not those on welfare or private insurance plans. Employers and workers pick their health plans; they aren’t placed in one national company.

      (in other words, the stupid party doesn’t know what universal health care means.)

      Point 2: Long, detailed instructions to the stupid party would glaze their eyes while they pretend to listen; then, like Barney, they’d go back believing their GOP propaganda.

      Point 3: Congress is, of course, exempt anyways. They have their own employer sponsored health care plan, as do civil servants, Medicare, and the military. They don’t need to pick from another pool of insurers, as the new pools will be the same insurance companies. The 86% millioniares in Congress will never get Medicaid.

      February 25, 2013
      1. SEC

        If you believe that it isn’t the bridge to your wet dream “universal” healthcare insurance you’ve drunk way too much Koolaid. BTW the supposed bridge for the “preexisting conditions” coverage in Obama-care has just closed to any new subscription because they are running out of money already! By-the-by insurance is a hedge against the possibility of something happening ie. an accident or a fire. “Pre-existing” insurance is like you having an accident and then calling an insurance company and asking to purchase collision coverage or calling your home insurer as the fire department is fighting the house fire and requesting fire damage coverage!

        February 25, 2013
        1. mrmacq

          good luck livelonger
          sec?
          in no way does “obamacare” resemble “universal healthcare”
          nor
          will it be able to morph into it
          your insurance companies are to fully entrenched
          including having the ears of your politicians

          February 25, 2013
          1. SEC

            It in the grand scheme of things the intermediate step in that direction!

            February 25, 2013
            1. mrmacq

              no
              it isnt
              which is a shame if one thinks about it
              for your insurance companies are going to still be driving the prices
              while you the citizens get less and less
              .
              you on the right really need to start doing your homework
              .
              america had the chance to learn from the rest of the world on getting the best system ever
              a little from here
              a little from there
              .
              but you blew it

              February 25, 2013
          2. SEC

            Oh like the great NICE panel?

            February 25, 2013
            1. mrmacq

              NICE panel?
              .
              did i not just say you had the chance to pick and choose the BEST of what was out there?
              yet typical you go with a “not so best”
              .
              is it built into the repulsive genes to constantly find fault?
              to “POO POO” on everything?

              February 25, 2013
            2. livelonger

              The GOP trolls won’t get paid unless they attempt to misinform the population so they screw themselves in favor of no regulation of corporations.
              .
              “The Daily Telegraph noted that some critics of the U.S. reform used the United Kingdom’s National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE)—”as an example of [doing] the sort of drug rationing that "Why the “Death Panel” Myth Wouldn’t Die:
              .
              “Death panel” is a political term that originated during a 2009 debate about federal health care legislation to cover the uninsured in the United States. The term was first used in August 2009 by Sarah Palin, the former Republican Governor of Alaska, when she charged that the proposed legislation would create a “death panel” of bureaucrats who would decide whether Americans—such as her elderly parents or child with Down syndrome—were worthy of medical care. Palin’s claim, however, was debunked, and it has been referred to as the “death panel” myth1 as nothing in any proposed legislation would have led to individuals being judged to see if they were “worthy” of health care.2 Palin specified that she was referring to Section 1233 of bill HR 3200 which would have paid physicians for providing voluntary counseling to Medicare patients about living wills, advance directives, and end-of-life care options."

              February 25, 2013
          3. SEC

            Oh but it is one of the things contained in that which you are defending it is just called IPAB instead of NICE

            February 25, 2013
            1. livelonger

              You can name it anything you want – it’s still a mean-spirited lie:
              “The panel is supposed to help develop cost-saving The 15-member IPAB board would comprise independent experts to recommend Medicare cost reductions starting in 2015”

              February 25, 2013
            2. mrmacq

              damnit
              read my words again will you?

              February 25, 2013
          4. SEC

            Oh but it is one of the things contained in that which you are defending it is just called IPAB instead of NICE

            February 25, 2013
            1. livelonger

              IPAB was created as a strengthened version of the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC), a body with no regulatory power that solely advises Congress, but can not enact regulations in and of itself. Since 1997, MedPAC had recommended cuts totaling “hundreds of billions of dollars” to Medicare that were ignored by Congress.2 Also, Congress has pressured Medicare administrators to cover “ineffective or needlessly costly methods of care”, while Medicare’s founding legislation says “Nothing in this title shall be construed to authorize any Federal officer or employee to exercise any supervision or control over the practice of medicine”.3 Henry J. Aaron, a health care expert at the Brookings Institution, says that many observers see that some in Congress are “in thrall to campaign contributors and producers and suppliers of medical services” and most are not well enough informed to wisely use Medicare’s buying power to reform health care.3 The idea behind the IPAB was to take power away from Congress (and special interests4) in order to give it to those knowledgeable in health care policy." Wikipedia

              February 25, 2013
        2. Delmarva

          All I can say to you is you better hope you never have a serious health problem that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to treat. I have and I thank God I can’t be denied, or anyone else who has that problem. What is a person supposed to do that has cancer that has come back, or a heart condition that has worsen?

          February 25, 2013
          1. livelonger

            According to the GOP, all you have to do is walk to the hospital every day to get a pill. Hospitals don’t give out long term prescriptions; you’d have to go to a doctor to pay at retail, which means 5 or ten times more than others on a plan. But then, that means you have to make the money a prospering insurance or real estate salesman makes to pay for it.

            February 25, 2013
      2. SEC

        I’d suggest 2 youtube offerings for your viewing pleasure but the system is not allowing it at this time.

        February 25, 2013
      3. SEC

        Operative word “supposed” as I think that the NICE board was “supposed” to do the same thing!

        February 25, 2013
        1. livelonger

          Nice Frank Lutz mind meld distortion.
          As the program isn’t in effect, all one can do is ‘suppose’ that doesn’t make it a bad panel. You suppose that any help to US poor is bad, and anyone who wants to help is misguided.

          February 25, 2013
          1. SEC

            A bureaucracy is a bureaucracy (this one need not be medical professionals) unelected and on the public payroll.

            February 25, 2013
            1. livelonger

              Right. You’re against any government, excepting a a nation run by a corporate dictatorship with a bureaucracy (called a Fascist dictatorship.)

              February 25, 2013
      4. SEC

        “As the Secretary shall determine” and this is only another layer of bureaucracy (which you and I will have to pay) between a patient and the services they might need. This bends the cost curve down how?

        February 25, 2013
        1. livelonger

          More baloney from the GOP troll. There is no layer between the doctor and the patient, other than the requirements of the health insurance companies that will pay the doctor. You can’t really read any of the law, so you ‘suppose’ things that aren’t there, a la Frank Luntz.

          February 25, 2013
          1. SEC

            Dream on!

            February 25, 2013
          2. livelonger

            All you’re proposing is ‘dream on’ and ‘suppose.’ There is nothing in the law or the regulations that require your ‘universal health care’ or ‘layer between’. They’re all scare tactics that have been rehashed on all forums for years. Sooner or later, the red states will go blue as the GOP governors refuse to help their citizens and they’re asked why the working poor in other states can get health care paid for from their salaries with help from the federal government.
            .
            You can’t really believe that the ‘stupid party’ will convince the population that Obamacare replaces Medicare, or Medicaid, or private health care plans from the same insurance companies that provide them now. That’s deceptive, but voters will eventually find out who’s in the pay of corporations to try to destroy health care for millions – and vote them out. It’s time to listen to the GOP leaders telling their party to give up being the stupid party insulting all Americans.

            February 25, 2013
  2. livelonger

    Like I said above – you can’t read the response while your eyes glaze over, so you go back to the GOP propaganda.

    February 25, 2013
  3. livelonger

    This is a not-so-clever or hidden rehash of the “Congress has it’s own special retirement plan” that’s been lied about for decades after it was changed decades ago.
    congress special retirement plan
    snopes politics social security pensions

    February 25, 2013
  4. GoldenPig2012

    Congress’ exemption from the rules they set for us to live by has been going on far too long. Seems to me that if I have to pay outrageous health care, so should they. If I have to retire on my 401K, or what’s left of it, so should they. They are no more than we are, in fact, they are “public servants” hired by me, by you to represent. They fail and they should receive lifetime healthcare and retirement? Really? Do any of you have that? I don’t.

    February 25, 2013
    1. livelonger

      Keep pumping your stupid party misinformation:
      “The Internal Revenue Code – Title 26 U.S.C. – establishes that anyone who makes over approximately $22,000 a year*, regardless of the source of income, must pay an income tax. That covers income from private business, government salaries, military pay, and even unemployment benefits. Congressmen and Senators must pay Federal income taxes like all citizens.
      .
      Members of Congress must also pay their share of the FICA (Federal Insurance Contributions Act) tax, which funds Social Security and Medicare, as well as all applicable state and local taxes.”

      February 25, 2013
      1. GoldenPig2012

        Did I somehow imply they didn’t pay taxes? Nope. Don’t think I did. Try again.

        February 25, 2013
        1. livelonger

          Try to read with some skill. They pay the same receive lifetime healthcare and retirement as everyone else for all the government programs they pay for. If they are rich, they can afford a better retirement 401K and medical care on their own.

          February 25, 2013
          1. GoldenPig2012

            Try to think with some skill. They rarely pay the same tax rate as your ordinary American, their healthcare does not end as they leave their government jobs, it does for those of us who leave ours, even by retirement. They receive a hell of a lot more “perks”, including a stipend that doesn’t end. Look it up. They don’t have live their lives by the same rules we do.

            February 25, 2013
            1. livelonger

              Prove it – show us the ‘special’ rates they pay – ALL of them.

              February 25, 2013
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    3. Neighsayer

      you should pay your congressmen so much money (say $50,000,000 a year)that they can’t be bought off, and they should have Secret Service protection for everyone they know and love so they can’t be intimidated. Incorruptible government? Cheap at any price, I should think.
      Plus, maybe, they should get some super medical coverage where they get the latest greatest experimental treatments, you know take a chance for the team?

      February 25, 2013
  5. GoldenPig2012

    livelonger, I don’t need or have to to. Even running for president Romney wouldn’t present his returns for more than two years. It does not alter the fact they don’t earn and retire and pay for that the same way we do.

    February 25, 2013
    1. livelonger

      There’s no convincing someone who’s mind is set upon not learning anything real or new, so won’t research anything to find if what they think is real.

      February 25, 2013
      1. GoldenPig2012

        Oh, I can be convinced. You show me their tax returns and I’ll believe you.

        February 25, 2013
      2. livelonger

        Yeah right; don’t look at the laws, look at results you can’t find. Typical diversion insanity.

        February 25, 2013
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