Gary Johnson on "The Daily Show"

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  1. livelonger

    What does ‘fiscally responsible’ mean? Does that mean well-heeled and not too poor to buy health care or pay for private schools?

    I like the question – “Do libertarians put too much trust in us?”

    August 09, 2012
    1. Munkyman

      “Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question.” ~ Th. Jefferson
      If we can’t trust ourselves who can we trust, certainly not the politicians & the bureaucrats or the bankers & the lawyers.

      August 09, 2012
      1. livelonger

        Yup. The rallying cry of “Let’s take back our government from us and replace it with another government of us.”

        August 09, 2012
        1. Munkyman

          Yeah because I had a $40,000 dinner with the president just last week how about you? You can’t have it both ways, you either question the corporate, union, banking, international influences lobbying our government or you don’t. If you don’t have an issue with the Koch Bros. influencing elections in Wisconsin… then yes it’s us taking it back from us but, IF you do have an issue with corporate & other organized influences on our government then no I’d say it’s taking it back from special interests & trimming the pork.

          August 09, 2012
          1. livelonger

            “question the corporate, union, banking, international influences lobbying our government or you don’t. an issue with the Koch Bros. influencing elections in Wisconsin…taking it back from special interests "

            aren’t the rallying cries of the Tea Party and GOP.

            August 09, 2012
            1. Munkyman

              or the 99%ers.

              August 09, 2012
            2. monkeygirl21

              Huh? isn’t that exactly the cry of the 99%ers? All I hear is the constant cry to get these influences out of OUR government in order to get our government back.

              August 10, 2012
            3. Munkyman

              Monkeygirl, I sure thought it was… it’s why I say the rank & file of both the Tea Party & the 99%ers aren’t that different in the things they say they want. They both want accountability they don’t see in action. I believe that Gary Johnson would run the most transparent government the US has seen in (many) decades. I think he’d veto a lot of stuff & I think he really can’t be more of a risk that the risk of enduring another decade of the likes of which we’ve just had.

              August 10, 2012
            4. livelonger

              The risk I worry about is the splitting of the Democratic vote, so the irresponsible and illogical party can win, destroying decades of negotiation to start the problems all over again.

              August 10, 2012
            5. Munkyman

              Historically Libertarians have taken votes from Republicans at a higher rate, the fear tactics of the DNC work well on their voting base. The GOP has a much more hit & miss record with internal fear mongering, doing far better with the free market & strong military stance. A man who isn’t afraid to stand alone is really only concerned about the free market argument so they generally lean Republican until they find out that the GOP isn’t much if any better than the DNC. The DNC generally feeds on those who are dependent on social programs, has a family member dependent on social programs or is in a minority group that they can manipulate with fear of deportation or rolling back civil rights.

              The fact is electing this man to the Presidency doesn’t change who’s in Congress so it doesn’t change what laws are offered for signature it just changes the signature on the laws that make it past him. You paint a nice horror story about destroying decades of negotiation but, exactly what negotiations have been going on for decades?

              August 10, 2012
            6. livelonger

              ALL of the safety net programs that had to be used due to this recession/depression are the result of a century of negotiations. If libertarians do take away from the GOP, then it’s moot; however, libertarians also want to do away with the social safety nets so people raised by a comfortable mommy and daddy can survive while watching the less fortunate bring themselves up without help and a few occasional charity turkeys.

              August 10, 2012
            7. Munkyman

              Not true, some may want that, just as some Democrats want full on Soviet style Communism & some Republicans are simply Fascists.

              The Libertarian party has no intention of getting rid of our safety nets or ending taxation, they want more effective safety nets, they want more accountable taxation & if you don’t then I wonder what’s wrong with you.

              We all should want better & the funny thing is we all generally agree about what better would look like but, no one is interested in take the steps to get to it.

              If we simply quit giving anyone with more than $35k in other retirement income SS we could give everyone with less than $35k in retirement income $35k or bring them up to $35k in retirement income. If we push the age of healthy retirement to 72 then the program would be completely solvent again, barring unforeseen massive disability claims.

              “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” ~ Albert Einstein

              August 10, 2012
            8. livelonger

              We already agree that income requirement to receive aid is a worthwhile idea. Other countries have that and will supplement wages when people are below the line.

              Repeating the ideas helps get them out to the public. If the Libertarian party says that’s what they want to do, then they may get many Democratic votes. Unfortunately, Paul left it unsaid.

              August 10, 2012
            9. Munkyman

              I think it’s a case of the candidate being unwilling to put the cart before the horse.
              If he details the plan instead of merely discussing the idea, then GOP/DNC can co-opt the parts that poll well. What I suspect is that the most logical & rational plan will be developed by an honest effort to achieve reasonable goals. What I know is the two parties have been messing with our safety nets & hauling them out every 2 years like storm flags for election day for nearing 80 years & if they haven’t built a better system than this in that time perhaps they just don’t have the skills or the motive.

              August 10, 2012
            10. Munkyman

              The GOP/DNC spend a lot of money studying eye tracking, pulse rates, reflexive gripping, even jaw movements & lip twitches. These aren’t rational actions they are emotional reactions & they capitalize on their ability to manipulate them. They would pick ridicule points to drive home & pervert anything that resonated well in study groups & polls. It takes a fair chunk of coin to have enough to spend on these things & one of the “problems” with the Libertarian Party is it’s not wealthy enough to play big league dirty politics. Shame they don’t have $40k/plate dinners to fix that.

              August 10, 2012
            11. livelonger

              “they just don’t have the skills or the motive.”
              That works for me. A combination of taking years to study each of the programs to find its strengths and weaknesses, the skills of the legislators to even understand it and then correct it, and then the motives of the opposition to give each other a hard time has much to do with the results.

              August 10, 2012
            12. Munkyman

              That you are concerned that a Libertarian will take votes from Obama gives me a lot of hope, not necessarily for this election but, maybe the next or the one after…. The Libertarian party has historically drawn from Independents & Republicans at much higher rates than the Democrats who when disaffected tend to become Independents or simply quit participating.

              August 10, 2012
  2. Munkyman

    He’s one of 3 men on the ballot in all 50 states & CNN won’t give him a seat at their debate. Ross Perot was as far as I know the last 3rd party candidate to sit in a national debate, back in ’92.

    August 09, 2012
    1. livelonger

      As he said, he’s rating 7%, so that’s probably not enough to draw interest from media; although that would be enough for Canadian and European media. That’s one change I’d like to see, media presenting intelligent discussion instead of ‘newsworthy propaganda argument.’

      August 10, 2012
      1. Munkyman

        His polling shouldn’t matter CNN is performing a Constitutional function a Duty of the Press & the man is on the ballot in all 50 states for the general election. If more people had heard of him he might poll higher. I suspect it;s more about the fact that Ross Perot was an effective spoiler & he did get his message out which may not have been what those who buy commercials wanted to have happen.

        In my opinion C-SPAN should host the official national debate & other media outlets should be allowed to mirror ir to their audiences.

        August 10, 2012
        1. livelonger

          I agree. He’s in a usual ‘catch.’ If the media reported him more, he’d be more recognized and qualify by the media to be seen more.

          August 10, 2012
          1. Munkyman

            I don’t think it’s a catch I think he’s been placed outside for not playing well with monied interests.

            August 10, 2012
        2. livelonger

          For either reason, he’s not being seen because media says he’s not being seen.

          August 10, 2012
          1. Munkyman

            & that serves their Constitutional duties how? The Free Press is mentioned in the 1st amendment because it was recognized as a vital tool of the people in their self governance. It seems we’re being beaten to death with our own “monkey-wrench.”

            August 10, 2012
          2. Munkyman

            There’s also the very reasonable possibility that the Republicans 7 Democrats decided that they would simply refuse to take the stage with a 3rd party ever again after ’92.

            August 10, 2012