It's Time

After the 2nd use of the "Nuclear Option" it is now time to either write the filibuster into the Constitution as an Amendment OR to strike the Senate from the Constitution. As it is the Senate is now a waste of money, they no longer effectively represent their states & the Constitution before their party, the Senate is no longer a place for the Minority party to stand on the foundation principles of the nation & to hold in check the enthusiasms of the Majority party by demanding themselves be respected for as long as they can talk. Partisanship has destroyed what is arguably one of the most critical aspects of the success of our system of government. The Senate performed functions of each branch of the federal government, it was there as our nation's wise council, it has historically been filled with former governors many of whom would go on to be on their own state's supreme courts. It was designed to be the body through which the states gave their consent to be governed & it has been broken, now it is useless & for a useless body it's damned expensive, so let's get rid of the Senate & give the D.C. Rep a vote.

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Comments (24)

  1. stevehayes13

    How would the required vote for an amendment by mobilised?

    April 08, 2017
    1. SEC

      Article 5 Convention

      April 08, 2017
      1. stevehayes13

        Yes, but you still have to mobilise the votes.

        April 08, 2017
        1. Munkyman

          It has to be done state by state in less than 10 years if I remember correctly.

          April 08, 2017
          1. SEC

            an effort is underway at this moment and I believe it is 5 states or less shy of the needed majority

            April 08, 2017
            1. SEC

              https://www.conventionofstates.com/
              as of 2014 there were 34 states that had motions before them to call for an Article 5 convention, I haven’t kept track of the adoption count.

              April 08, 2017
            2. Munkyman

              Then it’s just 3 or 4 states short depending on how you treat the decimal.

              April 08, 2017
          2. SEC

            that’s how I count it too

            April 08, 2017
    2. Munkyman

      There IS the issue since a slim majority of the citizenry still belong to the parties who have just gotten another step closer to their goals of simple majority rule. Once we see total party membership in the R’s&D’s fall below 40%, this becomes more plausible. That said, if I’m thinking this, according to polling math that means there’s another 100,000 to a million who do too.

      April 08, 2017
    3. Munkyman

      I think that an Amendment making the Filibuster an inviolate rule is more likely than the dissolution of the Senate.

      April 08, 2017
  2. SEC

    Or repeal the amendment that made Senators an elective office and return it to the purpose of representing the individual states corporately

    April 08, 2017
    1. Munkyman

      I don’t know that that’d matter now, it’s a favorite of mine too, but I just don’t think it’d make enough impact to be worth the effort.

      April 08, 2017
      1. SEC

        It might not correct everything but it would be a big step in the right direction

        April 08, 2017
        1. Munkyman

          It’d be a statement of intent, I just don’t believe it’d be much more the way the parties have a strangle hold on government at every level above the municipal.

          April 08, 2017
  3. wirelessguru1

    Well, DC is definitely a different town today after the Senate SCOTUS vote and the Syria attack…

    April 08, 2017
    1. Munkyman

      I’d call it an angry hornet’s nest, but it lacks that potency… it’s more like a yard full of decapitated chickens running about. It’s just embarrassing for THAT to be the people we put there, we should be ashamed of what our Congress has become.
      When Reid refused to let the budget into the Senate, that was the beginning of this fight, then he struck this very rule with regard to lower appointments & that in the Republicans’ eyes makes this now merely a sophist argument of degrees. That the Democrats forced this, is essentially the equivalent of them getting a good gut punch over Garland & coming back & shooting everyone’s kids who are now stuck with what this means for the future dissolution of the Union & the demise of the Republic. As partisanship deepens civil war looms. I fear the assassination of Justices will be a thing in my lifetime in the US as it has been elsewhere.

      April 08, 2017
      1. wirelessguru1

        All necessary to happens in order to then form a new NAU.

        April 08, 2017
        1. Munkyman

          Doesn’t mean I want it in my lifetime.

          April 08, 2017
          1. wirelessguru1

            Janet Reno didn’t want Trump in her life time and she died one day before the election. The livelonger zealot also died because Trump was elected…

            April 08, 2017
  4. fuall

    “filibuster” needs to be abolished. Just a polite term for being a cock-blocking, whiney piece of shit. Mostly just ass-sore losers rambling on about stupid shit that has nothing to do with any legislation or proceeding, just designed to drag shit out, and be an asshole while doing it. (Think Ted Cruise reading ‘Green Eggs and Ham.’) Cowardly pussies without the balls to face legislation without whining every time they don’t get their way is the wrong system AND the wrong message. Congress needs to just suck it the fuck up already, as do all the sad losers that didn’t get a participation trophy this time around. We foster an environment of confrontational attitudes backed by nothing more than ones feelings and wonder why there’s constant gridlock over one stupid-ass incident after another. How about we just take away the ‘cock-blocking whiners’ platform that does nothing but waste time?

    April 08, 2017
    1. Munkyman

      Well it’s about to be, next time there’s grid lock over a bill, that one will fall too. Then we’ll see if it was just a waste of time or if it was a valuable leash on the enthusiasms of the barest of majorities. A 60% majority squashes the filibuster after all & you can get 51% of the people to believe/do a lot of stupid shit.

      April 08, 2017
      1. Munkyman

        Hell Millgram shows us you can get about 85% of the people to do some pretty heinous stuff.

        April 08, 2017
      2. fuall

        I don’t disagree with having a mechanism for the minority to voice opposition, there is wisdom to be had from those not in control, but the use has gotten to the point of legislators using it to just be assholes. I would be okay with it if they simply had to keep it topical, but that’s as unlikely as anything else that makes any sense.

        April 09, 2017
        1. Munkyman

          Just to be assholes, that is the problem, they wouldn’t know actual principles if they were beaten about the head & shoulders with them.

          April 09, 2017